WTB: Older style Subframes

[Amateur]

Need the subframes to put in all 4 Del Alum Bushings I have. Can pick up in Illinois, Wisconsin, Iowa, Indiana area. The junkyards in my area haven't had these in a looooong while.

[88_GTU]

You're looking for a set for an automatic right? I may have a spare set available if so.

J

[Amateur]

I have a Manual, but it shouldn't matter I think since the subframes just universally bolt onto the unibody. I can get the older style A-arms from Rock Auto with new balljoints and the right setup for the bushings. Its just that I would be needing the subframes and the mounting bolts to connect those very A-arms.
But yeah, If you've got a set, I'd be very interested in them. Just let me know what you're looking to get for them and I can go pick them up there in Wisconsin when I have a free weekend.

[ronaconda]

The manual cars have a bumper on the driver side subframe.

[88_GTU]

The manual cars have a bumper on the driver side subframe.

You beat me to it! That's why I asked as well.

J

[Amateur]

well I just learned something new today. Does this bumper actually do anything and do i actually need it for my car? I really don't know so any information would be great.

[ronaconda]

I think it helps stop the engine/trans from rolling under hard acceleration

[Amateur]

Way to go Beretta engineers, making my life complicated yet again. I wonder if this was for all manuals or just the V-6 ones. Hold the presses Jon, I'm going to look at my subframes tomorrow to see if they have these bumpers and if they are absolutely necessary.

[88_GTU]

Will do. I know that there's a guy in eau claire putting down close to 400hp out of his built tgp 3.1 and he swapped to a getrag 5spd to handle the torque but he didnt swap subframes. He said he broke quite a few parts until he figured out the subframes were different. I believe he said he welded in a small bracket to make it work. I'll take a couple pics of my 5spd drivers side subframe later.

J

[3400beretta]

What year is your car? 87-91 is the old engine mount setup, so subframes are different than 92+, and V6 cars are slightly different from Quads.

Since you say "old style" I assume you are replacing the new kind (making your car a 94-96) so therefore you would require subframes from a 92-93 car.

[88_GTU]

3400beretta is right, I totally blanked on that. Since you're running the I4 it may be different as well. I'm not familiar with the mounting on those at all. If it's the same as the V6 I believe you can look for 92-94 cavy 5sp subframes as well as the 92-93 beretta ones. Not 100% on that tho, maybe someone else can chime in on that. I know they use the same control arm bushings and they look the same as the beretta subframes from what I remember.

J

[3400beretta]

I4 is the same, he can use subframes from a V6, quad or I4 car as long as its 92-93. And actually its only the passenger side that's important, since he needs the mount for the dogbone. Any year subframe will work for the drivers side.

And no, cavaliers never got the engine mount upgrades that the Beretta got, so again only the drivers side would be of use to him.

[woody90gtz]

You can use the pass side 92+ subframe and driver 91 to get two dogbone mounts. That's what I did on my car.

[themixer]

Anyone coming to the Canada meet that could bring good sub frames i would defiantly take a set

[heavywoody]

If you have stiff enough (read: all poly) mounts, you won't even touch that bumper. I've got at least 3/8" of clearance between the bumper and the stop on my car, and I've never hit it with my driving "style". My drivetrain doesn't move...