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Posted: **Fri May 03, 2013 11:33 am**

Jon I was just stating what the guy told me I bought my new garnet gtz off of because he said he had the flywheel turned when he rebuilt the motor in '08 and shimmed it

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2013 11:48 am**

themixer wrote:my old automatic had a problem, it shifted the gears by itself. Removed it and installed a 5 speed, problem went away.

There has been many swaps preformed on these cars over the years.

there is a thread started here http://www.beretta.net/forum/viewtopic. ... 1&start=15

but this was the most accurate guide i followed when doing my swap

http://www.v6z24.com/howto/5spdswap

good luck its a bit of work but in the end totally worth it

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2013 3:04 pm**

Kellu, since the '95 Berettas DID have a 5-speed option with the four-cylinder, consider bolting in that transmission -it is not correct for your engine, and is no where near as strong as the Getrag 282, but it WILL bolt onto the engine and SHOULD bolt into the car (sorry, this is speculation on my part -I have little experience with the 2.2 Berettas), and shouldn't disintegrate behind a stock 3100. As far as the statement regarding the Grand Prix 5-speeds, only the Getrag 284s that came with the '91-'93 3.4 DOHC "TDC" engine are in question here (and I do have a rebuilt one of those 284s

), and are so rare that you needn't concern yourself with it -if you do find one, buy it and trade it on the Grand Prix forums for two 282s

, if you run across one of the few thousand 2.8 or 3.1 Grand Prixs that had the five-speed option in '90 and earlier, that is a correct Getrag 282, the oil-filler is different than the Berettas' and the mount setup was different (I have one of these, too) but swaps over, otherwise they are the same. AVOID older Getrag 282s from the Cavaliers and other J-bodies and Fieros, -the VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor) is different, and incompatible with the speedometer in your car, and the tranny has to be disassembled to swap in the correct hall-effect reluctor-ring, if you can even find one.

I dislike automatic trannys too, and yes, it can be functioning correctly and still keep shifting back and forth on a hill -try notching it out of OD in that case -hey, if you want a tranny you can shift, you might as well shift the tranny you've got.

I've converted my '89 Beretta GTU to 5-speed and it was very easy (but that year car also had the option for a 5-speed Getrag, so all the mounts were already there and bolt-in ready), mostly I had to drill-out the hole in the firewall for the clutch master cylinder and swap-out the brake pedal assembly. Honestly, trying to pay a shop to do this for you... Yeah, they won't do it or you will pay them more than the car is worth. Get an experienced friend to help, or consider trading cars. I don't understand what you are saying about your Beretta being harder to work on than other cars though, aside from the rear three plugs, Berettas are relatively easy to maintain, IMO.

kellu wrote: @3x00: This is a forum for beretta owners to communicate with other beretta owners right? So what's wrong with asking questions from people who already know better than me? It's why I came to this site, to learn from people who already know these cars extensively. I do have an idea what I'm in for, everything I've done on this car yet has been a pain in the ass compared to other cars I've worked on. I honestly know that there is no way in hell I could do this transmission swap by myself. If anything I'll take it to a shop or get one of my more experienced friends help me with it (by experienced I mean actually know what the hell they are doing).

I agree with this statement. Sorry Jon, but the search function on this site sucks, like they do on most forums. If nobody keeps rehashing old issues that already have answers three-times-over on this board, with the age of these cars the only thing we will have to talk about here would be off-topic cameras and Twinkies (or raspberry Zingers

). If this guy is frustrating you by not listening, stop reading his thread.

I hear what you are saying too though, the links were there :sigh:

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2013 3:12 pm**

Why do I bother I'm always wrong. Have fun.

Posted: **Fri May 03, 2013 3:39 pm**

Sorry again, I'm not trying to offend and I'm certainly not 'picking sides', I just think it is okay to beat a dead horse to death... :deadhorse:

Wait, that is impossible... Okay, so it must be okay to beat an undead horse to death, yeah that's it!

Zombie horses beware!

Posted: **Sun May 05, 2013 7:41 pm**

Twinkies are now called Cloud cakes... and I believe little debbie makes them lol. Ihave a 3.1 v6 though Rettax, I don't think the trans from a 4cyl would hold up tbh. If I'm going to do this I'm going to do it right and get the 282.

Posted: **Mon May 06, 2013 1:22 am**

kellu wrote:Twinkies are now called Cloud cakes... and I believe little debbie makes them lol. Ihave a 3.1 v6 though Rettax, I don't think the trans from a 4cyl would hold up tbh. If I'm going to do this I'm going to do it right and get the 282.

-That was an inside reference. I did notice your engine, as it matches the engine and year of my Z-26... I am still planning on taking my old '95 Z-26 back, and whether I keep the 3100 in it or not (it has a 3400 big-port intake and throttle-body, modified for the car and the stock non-roller-rocker 3100 heads), it will be getting a 5-speed conversion. It was slated for a 3.4 DOHC "DTC" conversion before I traded it off before, but I am thinking of saving that engine for my '90 Yellow Indy, probably with a Getrag 284 conversion, but that won't be happening any time soon, I want my Teal V-8 Indy back on the road first.

Has anyone thought about using the mounts from a '94 Quad Z-26 (or earlier Quad GTZ) on this car? Shouldn't it fit the mount-points on the '95/'96? And obviously, it would bolt right to the tranny since the Quads used 282s...

The "M" code 3100 didn't have bundles of torque vs the 2.2, at least not in stock form (140 ft-lbs for the 2.2 vs 185 ft-lbs from the 3100). Also, listening to the Fiero crowd, the light-duty five-speeds offered in those cars (are they at all different from the Beretta's 2.0/2.2 five-speeds?) can even survive service behind a small-block V-8 for some time providing a mature driver (and with the Fiero being a rear-wheel drive car, it puts more force against the tires under heavy acceleration, meaning more actual torque-force operating against the tranny).

I do agree with you, and would go for the 282 myself, but I can also fab any mounts necessary for the build, so... I agree the 282 is your best option, but I still think the 2.2's tranny would probably survive, is possibly easier to find, and bolt-in ready. It is also much lighter weight, if it is the same as the Fiero's 2.5-Litre five-speed. My '97 Z-24 is running an intercooled turbo 2.4 Twin Cam (155ft-lbs of torque in stock form, as my engine is the later higher-compression EGR-less version), with a stock Isuzu five-speed, after a few years with this, I'm not seeing ANY wear on the tranny (yet), and I guarantee I've got more HP and torque in that car than the stock 3100 produces -at 9psi of boost, this car keeps up with my '89 GTU with a 3800 Series-II Super Charged (and slightly tweaked) V-6, at least up to about 75mph...

I just don't see where this is a major custom job, but my perspective may be a little warped... My GTU is currently under the knife, getting an upgrade on her tranny too...

Well, either way, good luck.

Posted: **Fri May 10, 2013 11:00 am**

well if the 2.2 uses a 282 than I should be able to pull it off the older cavaliers and put it on my 3100 than. Would be cheaper than buying a brand new one.

What car did you get the 3800 out of, and how the hell did you fit a v8 in a retta?

Posted: **Sat May 11, 2013 10:01 pm**

The Quads weren't the 2.2s, they were 2.3 DOHC engines. They came in several versions, but all the ones that came in Berettas were H.O. engines that had 5-speed 282s, and were found exclusively in '90-'93 GTZ models and some very rare '94 Z-26s. Non-Beretta applications saw some DOHC Low Output engines, SOHC versions (which used an Isuzu 5-speed, like the one in my Turbo Z-24) and the very rare W41 DOHC H.O.+ in a couple of Oldsmobile models. The Quads used a different bolt-pattern than the 2.0/2.2 four-cylinder engines and the V-6s, so you wouldn't be able to use one of them on your 3100, but the tranny mount should still fit the V-6 version of the 282. Confused yet?
The 2.2s weren't paired to the Muncie/Getrag 282, but they do use the same bolt-pattern as the 2.8s and 3.1s (and 3x00s, 3800s, etc, etc). Regardless of what engine/car/year or even what type of tranny you get, make sure it uses the same type VSS (Vehicle Speed Sensor) the Berettas use, or you will have a heck of a time getting your speedometer working. AVOID older Cavaliers...

My 3800 is a hybrid (not like an electric-type hybrid, mind you

) of a '97 Monte Carlo Z-34 L36 N/A 3800 and a '97 Bonneville SSEi L67 SC 3800. This gave me higher compression, lighter internals, an internally-balanced crankshaft to use with a flywheel/clutch assembly rather than an externally-balanced automatic trans flex-plate (or so rumor has it), and I still get Super-Charged goodness from the Eaton M90.

kellu wrote:how the hell did you fit a v8 in a retta?

Transversely.

The 4.0 Litre L47 Northstar derivative in my Indy fits, but with lots of compromises -this is a physically BIG DOHC 32-valve V-8. I'm still not sure if the left CV-joint/half-shaft assembly needs to be shortened to keep it from binding, or if the driver's side joint was making noise because it was just worn. Power steering? Still working on that one -the crank-shaft pulley has to ride underneath the right-side frame-rail, so I can't run a belt up to the power steering pump. I have an idea for it, and most or all the parts except for some custom brackets I'll need to build. I wasn't happy with the original mounts, so I'm rebuilding those once I get back to that car. My GTU is still the priority to finish, I just don't have any time, and little motivation to finish it right now -I'm having too much fun driving my old Plymouth around right now.

Posted: **Sun May 12, 2013 12:47 am**

Rettax3 wrote:
kellu wrote: @3x00: This is a forum for beretta owners to communicate with other beretta owners right? So what's wrong with asking questions from people who already know better than me? It's why I came to this site, to learn from people who already know these cars extensively. I do have an idea what I'm in for, everything I've done on this car yet has been a pain in the ass compared to other cars I've worked on. I honestly know that there is no way in hell I could do this transmission swap by myself. If anything I'll take it to a shop or get one of my more experienced friends help me with it (by experienced I mean actually know what the hell they are doing).
I agree with this statement. Sorry Jon, but the search function on this site sucks, like they do on most forums. If nobody keeps rehashing old issues that already have answers three-times-over on this board, with the age of these cars the only thing we will have to talk about here would be off-topic cameras and Twinkies (or raspberry Zingers ). If this guy is frustrating you by not listening, stop reading his thread. I hear what you are saying too though, the links were there :sigh:

Jon wasn't referring to the search feature. He was referring to Mixers reply (the third post in) with the info requested and that kellu should follow and read those links... I get that we have a small community, but it is quite frustrating when people are holding the answers in their hands to the very question they just asked you, and yet continue to ask the same question. (people do this to me at work, and I want to beat them with their own arm)

themixer wrote:my old automatic had a problem, it shifted the gears by itself. Removed it and installed a 5 speed, problem went away.

There has been many swaps preformed on these cars over the years.

there is a thread started here http://www.beretta.net/forum/viewtopic. ... 1&start=15

but this was the most accurate guide i followed when doing my swap

http://www.v6z24.com/howto/5spdswap

good luck its a bit of work but in the end totally worth it

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