Beretta 2017 Autocross Spec D-prepared

[Koots]

This should be awesome

[Amateur]

Limited slip, especially being a gear type is one of the best upgrades I ever did.

I read up on it, I hear that FWD cars work wonders with a gear type LSD. My take on it is that in cornering, instead of the usual tendency for a FWD car to push out of a corner with its understeer limits, the LSD will pull the car in + the better launch traction/ less torque steer is a given. Is this pretty much right on?

I made my purchases today, the hays in the barn and now I play the waiting game.....*drumroll*
I bought the Exedy clutch kit and ACdelco master cylinder for $242 shipped.
I bought an ATSCO 2.5 turn complete rack and pinion for $128 shipped/core charge included
I bought a GTU ground effects kit for $199

I'm going to hold off on the half shafts for a few months, the same goes for the the aluminum flywheel

Lastly, I threw my money into that Quaife LSD, $1178 shipped with tax

I thought about it and thought about it and finally said that if i'm doing this, I'm going all in; The Beretta is one of the few joys in my life, it deserves to get spoiled.

on that GTU kit, drool:

[Koots]

I think this is fantastic, I bet this will turn this car into a complete monster.

I think you should focus on that engine next I bet a 2200 intake manifold/fuel injector swap, throw on a 2.3HO throttle body, port and polish the head and grab a stage 2 cam kit from ChevyCavalierWorld (be sure to grab the 7500RPM capable springs, redesigned lifters and bigger valves too) and you will have a serious little beast on your hands

The trickiest part is the intake manifold swap, as you need to make an adapter plate, port the head carefully to match the intake port design (plus drill and tap new mounting holes) or buy CCW's expensive adapter plate and run it without issue.

Oh BTW, How did the header work out for you? I have yet to start my car, as it's frozen into the ground and buried now for the next 3 months, so i'm eager to hear how it worked out.

[Cliff8928]

Limited slip, especially being a gear type is one of the best upgrades I ever did.

I read up on it, I hear that FWD cars work wonders with a gear type LSD. My take on it is that in cornering, instead of the usual tendency for a FWD car to push out of a corner with its understeer limits, the LSD will pull the car in + the better launch traction/ less torque steer is a given. Is this pretty much right on?

Yes! It's very odd to power through a corner and have the outside tire with power!

[Amateur]

I think this is fantastic, I bet this will turn this car into a complete monster.

I think you should focus on that engine next I bet a 2200 intake manifold/fuel injector swap, throw on a 2.3HO throttle body, port and polish the head and grab a stage 2 cam kit from ChevyCavalierWorld (be sure to grab the 7500RPM capable springs, redesigned lifters and bigger valves too) and you will have a serious little beast on your hands

The trickiest part is the intake manifold swap, as you need to make an adapter plate, port the head carefully to match the intake port design (plus drill and tap new mounting holes) or buy CCW's expensive adapter plate and run it without issue.

Oh BTW, How did the header work out for you? I have yet to start my car, as it's frozen into the ground and buried now for the next 3 months, so i'm eager to hear how it worked out.

I haven't installed it yet. I'm waiting for it to warm up a bit, but the plan of attack is to trim some of the flange on the lower part and to do a little fabricating on the oil pan to clear it.

On the engine, I already have an engine block sitting in my garage so the plan for whenever is to get that chevy cavalier world stroker kit for the 2.2 with the Wiseco lightweight pistons and rebuild that block with it. The head will definitely get some improved springs and 1:6 aluminum roller rockers. That's about as far as I want to go with it. Since the '95 Beretta uses an OBD1 removable ecu, I know that CCW offer services to adjust the settings, so in theory I can bump up the fuel cut off a few hundred rpm to better match the head, but at the end of the day, the 2.2 is not very rev friendly as there is a sharp decrease in the power near redline.

I've got no complaints with the stock 2.2, it's a super simple honest engine that I like since it forces to me to make the best with what I've got...and there's sooooo much room in the engine bay!

Anyways, this is a dyno sheet to the wheels of the stroker kit versus a stock L4 block that I pulled from CCW.

[wicked-irocz]

You need to turbo, supercharge, or do some drastic head mods before a stroker based on that graph. The head cannot support more CI.

[Amateur]

You need to turbo, supercharge, or do some drastic head mods before a stroker based on that graph. The head cannot support more CI.

That would be nice, but I just don't want to go through all the trouble and cash to go the forced induction route; plus I want the lightweight pistons in there, which an induction motor would eat for breakfast. The stroker kit still retains a 2.2 displacement which can be bumped up to a 2.3 if you open up the bore to 90-90.5mm from the standard 89mm. I think this with 1:6 rockers would give me an improved powerband from stock on both ends. I don't actually anticipate building this motor for at least another year; the stock one is still running strong, so I got plenty of time.

Quick Question, I was wondering if you can (or anyone) clarify what CI means? I can't figure it out for the life of me...I wan't to say something like "compression increase" but I honestly don't know.

Some photos of my crisis a month ago with the whole polar vortex/ -20 degree weather. I go out to start my car so that it can charge the battery since it's just sitting there for now. You'd think I'd just disconnect the battery to avoid doing this but we're past that now.
Anyways my shifter lever just snaps clean off when taking my car out of gear. WHAT THE HELL CAR!!!



Anyways, I go on EBay and fetch me a new assembly from an older 1990 'retta as a replacement since finding a 5 speed Beretta in a junkyard is like impossible. Obviously the linkage mount that connects to the ends of the selector cable is smaller on the older levers and so the booger bushing on my newer design won't securely fasten onto it.

So I take it to some people I know who swap out my newer lever linkage mount, welding it nicely to the older one and Presto!



With that, I topped up my clutch fluid reservoir to get me to a car wash and clean the car...just so it sits again in neglect. That trip alone drained half of my reservoir.

[wicked-irocz]

how does a stroker kit not add displacement? a stroker kit is supposed to give you a longer stroke which increases displacement.

CI means cubic inches.

[Money pit Beretta]

Wow that is a first for me. Beats anything bad that has happened to my cars.

Damn man that is not much of a gain. How much does this kit cost? I'm with Dusty on the head work. Some good porting and a valve job should give you more gains than that kit. Also(as said) that would better support the extra CI.
I know you don't have a choice, but I have always hated the intake on the 2.0/2.2L.

[Amateur]

how does a stroker kit not add displacement? a stroker kit is supposed to give you a longer stroke which increases displacement.

CI means cubic inches.

I never said it didn't add displacement, it just isn't anything drastic.

The stock motor sits at 2189 cc (134 ci) of displacement w/ an 88mm stroke and an 89mm bore

the stroker kit has a 91.2 stroke and with a maxed out bore at 90.5mm, will net you 2345 cc (144 ci)

If my calculations are correct, The way I would run it when I get my hands on it, is with a 91.2 stroke and an 89mm bore which nets me 2269 cc (138 ci). So effectively it's still a 2.2L without rounding up.

Wow that is a first for me. Beats anything bad that has happened to my cars.

Damn man that is not much of a gain. How much does this kit cost? I'm with Dusty on the head work. Some good porting and a valve job should give you more gains than that kit. Also(as said) that would better support the extra CI.
I know you don't have a choice, but I have always hated the intake on the 2.0/2.2L.

Yeah, tell me about it, it was the last thing I expected to break on this car! The gain isn't much, but anyone can yield better results if they bumped up compression to 10:1 and maxed out the bore or with tons of head work if they so inclined. The kit costs about $1600. The stock head would have no problem handling the extra 4 ci I would be adding. I'm not doing anything crazy here...we are talking about the 2.2 ohv here lol. As for the intake setup, Koots up there mentioned that CCW sells overbored throttle body with a 65mm bore which is alot bigger than a stock 51mm. It's for the 98+ heads but they also sell an adapter plate to mount it on the older style ones. The difference is pretty noticeable:

[1988GTU]

I have a few shifters from the older Beretta 5 speeds. Should have started a want ad.

[Koots]

I think the best bang for the buck would be ported heads, stage 2 camshaft/springs/lifters and tune. Throw in a set of 1.6 rockers, 2200 intake swap and bigger TB (even the 2.3L TB is an upgrade), injector upgrade and a full exhaust and you will have an ecotec/Q4 killer with headroom for more power.

There's guys over on JBO that are running turbo LN2 engines (2.2/2200) and getting well over 300HP and still going strong. At that point, I'd want Molnar or Eagle rods, ARP head and rod bolts, cometic headgasket and a comprehensive tune.

[Money pit Beretta]

I like what they did to the throttle shaft. Seems like a bit of overkill on the size though.
Oh crap that kit costs way too much. You could almost get a rebuilt 2.3 Quad for that. Well almost....
LOL Koots, I bet that 2.0 would keep up with my Eco right now. Those engines are nothing without boost.

[Koots]

I like what they did to the throttle shaft. Seems like a bit of overkill on the size though.
Oh crap that kit costs way too much. You could almost get a rebuilt 2.3 Quad for that. Well almost....
LOL Koots, I bet that 2.0 would keep up with my Eco right now. Those engines are nothing without boost.

Are you talking about the stroker kit? Yeah, they are overpriced, but I like that it's an option now, in case I ever win the lottery and want to build something absolutely retarded and mind-blowing to shut up people

The Ecotec is a great small-car engine, but I like the 2.0/2.2 engines pure durability and simplicity. If I can make more power, that would be great. The 92-97 2.2's had 120HP/140TQ (92-93's 120HP rating is for L-Body only though, according to ol' wikipedia) and the Ecotec 2.2 is 140HP/150TQ, so it's not exactly a power house in comparison, especially considering it's a DOHC, 4-valve engine vs. the pushrod OHV, 2-valve, 2.2 "boat anchor" I've been working on.

[Amateur]

Awesome, the Quaife LSD finally came in yesterday after a month of ordering it. My parts jalopy is almost complete...almost. I still need to buy the flywheel and half-shafts and then everything will be a go to cram in the 'Retta.