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copied from 60degreev6.com...

Well the time has come, and I have been planning on making some l-body headers for a while and a couple of the members here have stepped up to the plate so this can become a reality!

MY91GT(Z) has sent me the modified headers he bought from johnnymossville.

Sorry 91GT, but being sick last weekend, all I did was lay in bed :(

So. I have the headers here at the shop now, and got them bolted to a spare block and heads I had here. Come to find out the headers I started tacking together were on the right track! A little different in the routing, but the primaries were almost in the same exact position.

Now, I need more help from the Beretta/Corsica owners. The S&S's are still standing quite a ways off the front head and appear to me that they won't clear a stock fan. Can someone measure the distance from the fan motor to the front head where it meets the block (maybe even a pic)? I know loner's turbo headers I built used exactly 1/2 of a u-bend (about the same as the S&S), and we had to swap his fan out.

I might take some pics with my cell phone, but really would rather wait till I have my wife's digi with me (mine crapped the bed).

Here's what I had started a while ago...

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I'm looking to sell these for about $500-550 coated (maybe via Ben's store).

Stay tunes for more pics. Today I am cleaning up the welds and getting all the measurements taken, and will probably start on the jig to make them consistent ;)

-John

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I have a set of headers that need to be re-made that for sure fit a 5-speed V6. They have just around 30" primaries and fit all under the hood with a crossover and all.

They're about 17 years old and age has taken it's toll on them, but the design looks to be killer.
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S&S will not clear the "older" fans (mine is a '92), but I just cut off one of the 4 spokes and it's fine, and still seems plenty strong enough.

I "think" the newer fans, which are narrower are OK.

And the wider bend is probably preferable as to air flow.

You are going to have to watch #1 (Passenger side rear) for clearance on a 3t40. There is a hump on the trans that doesn't present itself on a 4t60e or 5-speed.
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do you have pix of them cliff
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Well, this pic is from the original owner/creator of them when they were new...
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I can snap a couple more of them from all angles though.
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http://wrx-now.tripod.com/assorted/headers.jpg
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Whose were those? Those are some nice long tubes... They fit and clear everything?
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IsaacHayes wrote:http://wrx-now.tripod.com/assorted/headers.jpg
Copy and paste the link into a new window.

Whose were those? Those are some nice long tubes... They fit and clear everything?

Look closer at the coolant neck...
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Forced_Firebird wrote: Look closer at the coolant neck...
What about it? These were originally on a 2.8
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Were those Norms?
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Nope, got them off a guy in Canada who sold them on here.
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MY91GT(Z), again, I am sorry about the delay, but opening a new shop took 2 weeks out of my life :(

Here's what I got as of about 20mins ago when home...

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That's pretty nifty... One thing I would suggest, if at all possible, shorten up the length of the rear header because I know it drops down almost too low... You should mock that in a body to see how low the bend after the collector is, and you may realize you have 3-4 inches you can work with as far as bringing it closer to the tunnel. I know mine is low, but I got it high enough to not rub... Eric, and Eric didn't do all the same collector modifications I did so theirs are a little bit lower than mine, it was something I couldn't do not having it in a car.

What set of headers was that?? wondering who modified them, looks just like all my cuts :) but I know where the three of those sets I did reside.
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They were from "johnnymossville".

This pic shows how much higher mine could be... although I did chop them and weld on my own flange, so it may not be a good example for you.
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Agreed! Mine could have been about 3" shorter and would have given me alot more clearance. And an not so severe bend to mate it all up.
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I ended up pretty good but that was because I chopped up the collector to make it bend more... I'm surprised the exhaust shop didn't do that for Eric, and I'm surprised Woody didn't try that.

After I cut up the collector and then welded on the chop of the 45 pipe, it made a good bend that ended up working well... It touches the sway bar when the car is in the air, but its got about 1/2 to 3/4" clearance when the car is at ride height.

In my Header modification thread you can see what the header itself looks like.

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